It was described as the most shocking trade in NBA history when the Dallas Mavericks swapped Luka Doncic for Los Angeles Lakers star Anthony Davis. It was a trade that nobody saw

It’s a much brighter headline for the Mavs than the previous one that had haunted them over the past few months—the decision to trade away superstar Luka Doncic to the Los Angeles Lakers. Since the trade, fans have protested and called for the job of general manager Nico Harrison.

Mavericks coach Jason Kidd joined the Dan Patrick Show on Thursday and discussed where he was the night the Mavs won the draft lottery, gave his thoughts on Cooper Flagg’s NBA transition and discussed the last time he spoke to Luka Doncic. Highlights of the conversation are below, edited lightly for clarity.